An impotent Democratic Party & rigging Florida have much more (see: everything) to do with it than Nader stealing votes in 2000 and Ohio wasn’t exactly on the ‘straight & narrow’ in 2004..
I recommend renting/downloading/torrenting An Unreasonable Man .. a terrific documentary on Nader, his history/legacy and presidential runs. Don’t be discouraged, there’s plenty of Nader bashing. After watching it, even if you don’t like the guy, you’re damn well going to respect him. His work ethic was/is breathtaking. The dude simply stands for what he believes, it just so happens to coincide with consumer rights, and this nation is better off because of it.
“I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things
“I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things
“I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things
“I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. You know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things
Obama is to far left for me. we you talk about taking civil liberties away such as gun control. i have a problem.
im sorry obama,hillary,mccain are controlled by the same people. they are puppets so it really doesnt matter who you vote for. hillary is a damn communist. universal health care is a joke. get these broke ass people to get a job and get there own health care. obama and hillary will turn this country to a welfare state and police state.
do your research on…
north american union
the real id card. in which kentucky will use this starting may.
nafta.
yuGO said:Obama is to far left for me. we you talk about taking civil liberties away such as gun control. i have a problem.
im sorry obama,hillary,mccain are controlled by the same people. they are puppets so it really doesnt matter who you vote for. hillary is a damn communist. universal health care is a joke. get these broke ass people to get a job and get there own health care. obama and hillary will turn this country to a welfare state and police state.
do your research on…
north american union
the real id card. in which kentucky will use this starting may.
nafta.
it all the Globalist plan.
I’m not quite sure I get whay you are trying to say. Sure McCain, Clinton, and (though I hold out hope for him) Obama are essentially corporate puppets. But in what sense do you mean communist? And how would Clinton fit any of those descriptions? Furthermore, I don’t see how universal health care is a joke, as it is employed by virtually every other developed country, aside from ours. And your assertion that Obama and Clinton will turn this country into a welfare state seems to contradict their being any sort of “globalist plan”.
I’m for gun control. The people who plan on doing some serious shit are gonna get guns one way or the other, but for some teenagers that are caught up in some things they shouldn’t be caught up in, I think stricter gun controls may stop them from getting their hands on any triggers. As long as law abiding citizens who haven’t committed a violent crime can buy guns I don’t care what other restrictions are applied. They call it the “Bill of Rights” but our gov’t has proven that they are privileges, not rights, by taking these “rights” away on various occasions. As such, people should realize that they can lose the privilege to own a gun. Normally I would be opposed to the removal of one’s “rights”, but frankly I don’t think someone who was charged with spousal abuse, for example, should be put anywhere near a gun.
Ok for people who say “OMG I’m against gun control cus they will come and take away my guns and they are taking away my rights and the government is trying to control my life” thats just stupid and your and idiot.
Like gangstasmurf06 said it wont stop someone who is serious about getting a gun and it wont stop the average person who wants a gun to go hunting on the weekends.
It will stop the average idiot who gets it in their head that they just need to kill 20 people tomorrow.
It will keep guns out of insane peoples hands (yeahhhh that might have helped VT).
and live gangstasmurf06 said Im really not in favor of giving wife beaters guns…
gun control is a tough subject. obviously there are some weapons, like assault rifles, that should be made illegal. but i think guns should be available to people for recreation, and as a way to defend themselves, and their homes.
also, the fact remains that most guns used to commit crimes are unregistered, and illegally owned. i dont know how much increased gun control laws will do to curb gun violence
del preston said:gun control is a tough subject. obviously there are some weapons, like assault rifles, that should be made illegal. but i think guns should be available to people for recreation, and as a way to defend themselves, and their homes.
also, the fact remains that most guns used to commit crimes are unregistered, and illegally owned. i dont know how much increased gun control laws will do to curb gun violence
and lol at julio lugo
From my experience, I’ve found that the majority of people who are against gun control generally have never lived in an area when gun related violence is a regular occurance. Once you’ve been on the wrong end of that barrel, it changes your entire perspective. You don’t care if the gun is legal or hot, you just wish it wasn’t aimed at you. Back on the original subject, Hillary really seems to be tapping into the racism that many white liberals (especially white feminists) have.
ill_spec said: From my experience, I’ve found that the majority of people who are against gun control generally have never lived in an area when gun related violence is a regular occurance.
From my experience, I’ve found that the majority of people who are against gun control generally have never lived in an area when gun related violence is a regular occurance. Once you’ve been on the wrong end of that barrel, it changes your entire perspective. You don’t care if the gun is legal or hot, you just wish it wasn’t aimed at you. Back on the original subject, Hillary really seems to be tapping into the racism that many white liberals (especially white feminists) have.
good point. i’ve grown up in an upper middle class, suburban, white town, and have never had to deal with violence. had i grown up somewhere else, my perspective could be completely different. given that, i’d say that poverty is the main contributing factor of gun violence.
...and on-topic…
i think a great thing about obama’s campaign, is that people are having to confront the racist views that we, as a society, still maintain. it might not be good for obama in the short run, but its a good thing for the long term health of out society
bosoxfanpw7 said:Ok for people who say “OMG I’m against gun control cus they will come and take away my guns and they are taking away my rights and the government is trying to control my life” thats just stupid and your and idiot.
WOW! “your and idiot.” I don’t think anything more needs to be said.
bosoxfanpw7 said:
Like gangstasmurf06 said it wont stop someone who is serious about getting a gun and it wont stop the average person who wants a gun to go hunting on the weekends.
It will stop the average idiot who gets it in their head that they just need to kill 20 people tomorrow.
First you say that it won’t stop the average person, then you say it will stop the average idiot. So YOU wouldn’t be allowed a gun? How is a law going to prevent people from getting guns who might shoot up people? What EXACTLY would that law look like?
bosoxfanpw7 said:
It will keep guns out of insane peoples hands (yeahhhh that might have helped VT).
How would that have helped VT? What about Cho would allow you to stop him from getting a gun? The students said he was quiet, and an odd fellow. Ok… so what? Plenty of quiet odd people own guns that are perfectly safe with them, so obviously that can’t be the criteria.
A different thing he did was write some fairly disturbing stories. Should that be the criteria? Quentin Tarantino certainly wouldn’t be allowed to own a gun if that was the case, not to mention it would be extremely long and tedious for them to even GET information like that, if it was even allowed for them to be able to get information about what he’s written for class without him having given permission for it to be published.
I don’t see how any law would have prevented him from being able to get a gun, unless the law was that you had to be over 30 to get a gun or something equally ridiculous.
Oh, and here is the another thing. Cho had this pretty well planned out, and it isn’t like he bought the gun and did all this on a whim. Gun laws would have stopped Cho from getting a gun as much as drug laws stop kids from getting marijuana.
Really, the stupidest thing about that, is the fact that guns weren’t allowed on campus in the first place. If the students (legally responsible adults in a higher education institution) were allowed the basic right to life (a means to defend themselves against people who want to take it away), then this would NOT have been the biggest school shooting in America. Assuming that Cho would have even TRIED with students able to defend themselves, he would have MAYBE shot two people before he was taken down, and that would have been the end of that. But of course not, we’d rather have laws intended to protect that in reality make it easier to be victims.
Do you think anyone EVER seriously considers going to a gun show and going on a killing spree? Yeah, didn’t think so, and if anyone tried they’d be toast.
del preston said:Jagang, what are your thoughts on gun control? it seems from your post, that you are against it. if that is the case, then why?
Because I like the idea of people being able to adequately protect themselves and not become victims to a gun attack, and I certainly don’t trust that the government has the ability to insure this for us.
Jagang said:
How would that have helped VT? What about Cho would allow you to stop him from getting a gun? The students said he was quiet, and an odd fellow. Ok… so what?
Cho had been evaluated mentally more than once, being put under detention orders and being evaluated as presenting “an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness” and some new laws (HR 2640) and gun control provisions would call for a more comprehensive database that provides better mental health info to those running background checks for weapon purchases.
That is just one example.
You probably should read up on those types of things before calling people idiots for being pro-gun control, because I’m fairly certain you haven’t based on your post.
Jagang said:
Really, the stupidest thing about that, is the fact that guns weren’t allowed on campus in the first place. If the students (legally responsible adults in a higher education institution) were allowed the basic right to life (a means to defend themselves against people who want to take it away), then this would NOT have been the biggest school shooting in America. Assuming that Cho would have even TRIED with students able to defend themselves, he would have MAYBE shot two people before he was taken down, and that would have been the end of that. But of course not, we’d rather have laws intended to protect that in reality make it easier to be victims.
So, your answer to school shootings is arm the students? LOL
So instead of 32 people being killed in one sitting we’d have more than that per year, every year, being shot because someone got pissed over a bad grade or caught their girl cheating and just happened to have the strap handy.
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