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It does bother me, especially when talking about something this serious. I need to work on my brashness (<===understatement).

I have no preference towards Islam, seriously. I came across as against Christianity more intentionally, because, even if it shouldn’t be this way, the two sides of this argument are now Islam vs Christianity. If I’m being honest about my beliefs, I’m an atheist and I have a seething hatred for religion of any kind, but I don’t need to talk about it here where I doubt it will start anything more than a pointless argument. The point is that they have the right to do it, no matter what the religion is. The Qu’ran says to kill infidels, and the Torah/Bible says to kill people who work on the Sabbath. I’m not here to defend a religion. If anything, Islam is worse because it is even more violent than Judaism/Christianity.

The Trashman said: I need to work on my brashness (<===understatement).

why so apologetic to kno?
When I said you were being brash you told me to grab some tissues. hahaha I’m just kidding around. This is why I don’t like talking politics. Especially not online. Conversation devolves too quickly and nothing gets accomplished.

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PretendGirl said:the fact that libertarians generally stand for eliminating government-funded education makes me stop listening any time someone starts in on how great libertarianism is.

Watch this…George Carlin yo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&feature=related

What exactly is your point? Basically the logic is, rich corporate white guys effectively own the country, and since it’s in their best interest to create ignorant, docile worker drones, they don’t really give a shit about funding education. Assuming this is true, the Ron Pauls of the world say alright, let the free market dictate our education system. Know what happens after that? Nothing, because rich corporate white guys still run that shit.

If education sucks because the people who run the country suck, then fix the fucking government before deciding to just leave education to the rest of us idiots… Fix this ridiculous campaign spending, stop letting corporations and churches get involved in politics, elect some people with balls—preferably some people who actually know what it’s like to grow up in the lower to middle class. Treat the disease instead of the symptoms.

Yeah maybe the government funding doesn’t do anything…how is the money really being spent? The government brought us ‘No Child Left Behind’, I know a lot of people are skeptical about that act.

I mean really what does the federal government have to offer our education system? I’m curious cause so far it hasn’t done much good that I know.

in Soviet Russia, car drives you!

I definitely think we need a federal government, lol I’m not an anarchist or some confederate nut. I didn’t realize that Reagan had cut the education budget by 18.6% his first year in office, that’s an interesting statistic. I was just thinking everyone since Reagan was a dullard because of the technology, media, video games, and other factors. The only thing is that Dubya increased education funding along with enacting NCLB, so we should start seeing a benefit from the increase in funding (NCLB sux) in the coming years.

I, too received federal grants and loans for college, in fact that money has made my life much easier this past senior year. CunninLynguists are enough reason to keep fed-funded education, and honestly there are a bunch of places I’d think to cut money from before education.

I definitely do not support education cuts, just wanted to see the entire argument. It could very well be related to the amount of dullards. I want better education across the country, for sure.

NCLB is a piece of shit. All it’s done is cause a bunch of schools in poor neighborhoods to get shut down and force teachers to start teaching to tests just to keep their jobs.

If we were really serious about funding education, we’d take even a fraction of the money we’re pumping into the war on drugs and our military involvement abroad and pay our teachers a reasonable salary. Teaching should be a competitive field that attracts the smartest and hardest working people. We need to eliminate the disparity between lower class and upper class schools—we should stop funding schools with property taxes like most states do, because that’s what causes this disparity. When I was involved with education reform in Pennsylvania (about 5 years ago) I think the stats were something like the poorest neighborhoods were funded at about $5k per child and the richest were funded at $14k. In the worst neighborhoods, we’re talking schools that are literally rationing out toilet paper, or sharing 10 textbooks between three classes of 25. If we left the government up to the free market what happens to those kids? Where do they get their money from?

Recently, the federal government hasn’t done any good for education because the people in charge are not getting paid to do so, like they are with this stupid war. That’s why I say you gotta treat the disease and not the symptoms. We need to stop letting oil and tobacco companies have so much say in where we spend our money because they sure as shit don’t care about public education, all their kids go to private school. And probably most of our senators’ and representatives’ kids do too. There are plenty of countries who offer free education to everyone, and they are passing us up.

Plenty of charter schools run on shoestring budgets are more effective than normal public schools, money can’t be the only issue here in terms of education.

Also, I guess this will be more of the Atheist in me coming out again (since the one who doesn’t automatically shit talk everyone didn’t go over so well), but Christian opposition to proper scientific education isn’t doing much good. The fact that there are “religious science” textbooks for paranoid Christians to homeschool their kids with is ridiculous. Sure, it’s their right to have them, but it’s not even really science anymore, and it pains me to see all hopes of the kid actually coming up with their own beliefs being squashed. As someone coming up in the American public school system right now, I can attest to Biology teachers bending over to religious will, kind of glossing over evolution. People abuse the term “theory” so much, without even knowing what it means, as if I can say “maybe continued exposure to TV makes your dick grow 5 inches” and it will be accepted in the scientific community as a theory without any evidence. Everyone teaches their kids about gravity, and only because people don’t always say “the theory of gravity” when they mention it.

As a last note, again as someone in high school right now, teachers never make an attempt to get the kids to really understand anything, they only care about test performance. My history teacher last year said “if you see the word ___ on the test choose the answer that says ___”. Don’t know the connection between Alexander the Great and Hellenism, just know that when one word pops up in multiple choice, the answer is the other.

agree and agree. Way too much memorization in school, and teachers should have been getting paid more for years now. Between federal, state, and local budgets there should always be more than enough books, toilet paper, pencils, paper, computers and money to pay good faculty a better salary.

I don’t wanna talk about religious beliefs here but I will say I support separation of church and state and the advancement of science.

That minister cancelled the Qu’ran burning, praise Allah!

Last I heard he was “postponing” it, but was against anyone else doing it in the meantime.

I guess he’s trying to save his spot as the hypocritical moron who burned the Qu’ran.

houstonz said:Last I heard he was “postponing” it, but was against anyone else doing it in the meantime.

I guess he’s trying to save his spot as the hypocritical moron who burned the Qu’ran.

what I found kinda funny is when they had that dude on tv talking about burings qu’rans there was a truck/trailer in the lawn that spelled it KORAN.lol

I think it’s funny the organization is called “dove world outreach.” Why would they choose a name that implies the group is promoting global peace when the leader is on record as calling Judaism, hinduism, buddhism and islam ‘evil’?

I’m confuddled.

As a Science teacher in an inner city area in the UK I have got some pretty strong views on the education system and its role in society. This speech from one of my idols, Noam Chomsky, hits the nail right on the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq6lFOhLJ0c

Chomsky is a monsta, good video.

The Trashman said:Chomsky is a monsta, good video.

I find it hard to believe someone would find Chomsky to be a “monsta” and then at the same time say they would vote for Ron Paul….

Just sayin….

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Paul and Chomsky are both libertarians. You might say the former is on the right, the latter on the left (somewhat socialist). I’m very moderate, in that left or right means nothing to me. I suppose there are things I like from both sides. Chomsky is super intelligent though, that’s obvious.

Here’s a video of Chomsky on Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNWIarcCM44
(Is that you interviewing him, Bosox?)
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You’re free to think what you like but please stop posting about me, its kinda creepy. I’m not the subject of this thread; the topic is politics. I’m here to educate myself and talk about politics, nothing more. Thanks.

Oh and btw,

The Trashman said:If the election were today I just wouldn’t vote.

You must’ve missed that part when you were trying to judge me.
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Back to politics….

Another video I like from Ron Paul (not saying I’ll vote for him):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvl_hQ80ZNQ

I think what it comes down to is although I agree with Ron Paul on his stance of lower spending, smaller gov’t, non-intervention overseas/not acting like world police, phasing out of the Federal Reserve and the “big” government + big business partnership. Despite that I agree with him on removing the Patriot act and domestic surveillance (its so unconstitutional) and ending the trade restrictions with Cuba. That although I agree with him on keeping the internet gov’t free forever and 2nd amendment rights. Even though he was a sponsor of the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008, I cannot vote for him.

He would want to cut federally funded welfare, unemployment, & poverty programs, he wants stricter border/immigration laws, and he would reduce federally funded education. Plus I think our military should attempt to intervene in the case of genocide. Although he supports a lot of stuff I like, he differs on some of the most important issues to me.

Love is the answer.

“power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic.”

thugged0utcubscout said:what I found kinda funny is when they had that dude on tv talking about burings qu’rans there was a truck/trailer in the lawn that spelled it KORAN.lol

Why do you find that strange? Transliteration of another alphabet (arabic in this case) may result in many different ways of spelling in our latin alphabet. Both “Qu’ran” and “Koran” are correct.

Not to get back into the whole “people are ignorant about the religion of others” argument, but people are ignorant about religion of others:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/us/28religion.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=homepage

This is a very likely reason why there is so much distrust between faiths and why it’s so easy for people to resort to stereotypes.

lol

http://www.hulu.com/watch/180968/saturday-night-live-wedding-venue

I had actually meant to post this last week, but forgot and was just reminded when I saw Kno retweet an article on Twitter.

Anyways, my roommate is a very sharp individual—went to Princeton, studied biochem, blah blah blah— and was hired last year by MIT to organize a new exhibit for the Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research. He spent the last year on it and the grand opening is tomorrow night. John Kerry, Senator Scott Brown, and the Koch brothers will be in attendance, among others. I will not be, sadly.

Anywhoo, I really didn’t know the backstory of the Koch family until last week, when my roommate sent me this link to an article from the New Yorker. Needless to say, I found it infuriating, appalling, and unbelievable all at the same time.

It is certainly a long read (especially by today’s ADHD standards), but I feel as though it’s worth it just so you can see how much power these people have. It’s frightening.

Read away: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

Yesterday my roommate told me that he gets to interview David Koch 1 on 1 for about 30 minutes tomorrow. I wanted to be there to operate the camera or something, but I realized I would probably end up stabbing David in the face, and I don’t want to deal with that legal headache right now.

worm9103 said:I had actually meant to post this last week, but forgot and was just reminded when I saw Kno retweet an article on Twitter.

Anyways, my roommate is a very sharp individual—went to Princeton, studied biochem, blah blah blah—and was hired last year by MIT to organize a new exhibit for the Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research. He spent the last year on it and the grand opening is tomorrow night. John Kerry, Senator Scott Brown, and the Koch brothers will be in attendance, among others. I will not be, sadly.

Anywhoo, I really didn’t know the backstory of the Koch family until last week, when my roommate sent me this link to an article from the New Yorker. Needless to say, I found it infuriating, appalling, and unbelievable all at the same time.

It is certainly a long read (especially by today’s ADHD standards), but I feel as though it’s worth it just so you can see how much power these people have. It’s frightening.

Read away: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

Yesterday my roommate told me that he gets to interview David Koch 1 on 1 for about 30 minutes tomorrow. I wanted to be there to operate the camera or something, but I realized I would probably end up stabbing David in the face, and I don’t want to deal with that legal headache right now.

wait wait wait, the Koch brothers are going to be in Boston tomorrow????

Hi worm,
I had read that article a while ago = good to re-read. Their power and how they’re using it is scary. And the Supreme Court’s decision removing limits on campaign contributions is also disgusting, so destructive.

*crosses fingers for Ron Paul*

this whole democrat/republican dichotomy pisses me off and Ron Paul is the only one that I’ve seen thats substantially different than everyone and doesn’t ascribe himself to party BS rhetoric….please point out any other good candidates if I’ve missed any

PEACEofStrange said:*crosses fingers for Ron Paul*

this whole democrat/republican dichotomy pisses me off and Ron Paul is the only one that I’ve seen thats substantially different than everyone and doesn’t ascribe himself to party BS rhetoric….please point out any other good candidates if I’ve missed any

Also Ron Paul may be relatively honest, but that doesn’t mean all his beliefs are correct. His reasoning for America to return to the gold standard over paper money is pretty stupid.

Representative Anthony Weiner of New York’s 9th District.

His most famous moment was when Republicans were blocking the 9/11 responders health care law (although some Democrats voted against it because they were too pussy to take a stance on if illegal immigrants should be covered). He just got completely pissed off and started yelling in frustration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4zwCMf8dsc

Dennis Kucinich.

My heart breaks a little every time I hear someone praise Ron Paul…

Just because he isn’t one of those lying, thieving, elite, corporate owned politicians, doesn’t make him someone worth voting for. His politics are delusional… and just look at Rand Paul… anyone that fathered that shouldn’t not be allowed to hold a powerful office in the United States.