I’m 100% positive we were given this “fetuseahorse” image for a reason. So, I’m reading some into seahorses today, primarily their anatomy and reproduction as well as a little into fetal growth. I think we need to look into this image some more, both the seahorse AND the human-looking fetus. Here’s a couple odd things I’ve noticed thus far..
1. Seahorses typically give birth to 100-200 babies at a time, though this can range (depending on the species of seahorse) from 5 to 1,500. The CATM seahorse has a single human fetus inside. Hm?
2. Seahorses have dorsal fins that are located on their back to propel them around the waters they inhabit. Our CATM seahorse doesn’t seem to have a dorsal fin on its back; I wonder why.
I’ll try to get an estimate on how old the fetus is (based on the bone growth & bodily formations) if I can.
onilink said:I have a strong feeling that this will be the album cover.
Agreed.
I feel we really haven’t touched on the significance of the ‘human-like’ foetus though. And eventhough it is ‘human-like’ it still doesn’t quite look human.
it’s straying a bit from the Cuban aspect we’ve been going towards, but decided to look a bit into this certain species of Seahorse mainly b/c it has the whole HCK name going for it scientifically
Hippocampus kuda, also known as the common seahorse, is a member of the family Syngnathidae of the order Syngnathiformes. The common sea horse is a small, equine-like fish, with extraordinary breeding methods. Greeks and Romans believed the seahorse was an attribute of the sea god Poseidon/Neptune, and the seahorse was considered a symbol of strength and power. Europeans believed that the seahorse carried the souls of deceased sailors to the underworld - giving them safe passage and protection until they met their soul’s destination
This species of seahorses also seem to give birth to only one or two offspring at a time as well
JLee said:Greeks and Romans believed the seahorse was an attribute of the sea god Poseidon/Neptune, and the seahorse was considered a symbol of strength and power.
“Take pride in the queen my bride is
Her Amphitrite to my King Poseidon”
dwilli said:Amphitrite was Poseidon’s…mistress, I believe?
Amphitrite originally fled from Poseidon’s advances towards her after he saw her dancing on an island. Later he sent some type of dolphin creature as a messenger to persuade her into marrying him, which she accepted.
Poseidon, in showing gratitude to the creature that represented him so well, made a dolphin constellation in the sky. (love keeps the stars in the firmament and imposes rhythm on the ocean tides?)
They had multiple children, though from what I’ve read not all them are indisputably Poseidon’s offspring.. Hm..
dwilli said:Obviously there’s a slew of HCK references all over. How can this help us with the other clues though, especially if each point confirms the last.
HCK Seahorse
Europeans believed that the seahorse carried the souls of deceased sailors to the underworld - giving them safe passage and protection until they met their soul’s destination
HCK White Mariposa
Our Business
White Butterfly Memorial Services was founded by Hector Concepcion Kiwanis in 1960 to help families return to their beloved deceased people to nature.
-Mating is usually done under a full moon (“As soon as the moon can be viewed in full”)
-Seahorses have a single mate for life. Every morning, they come together, dance, change their color, twirl around with linked tails and then separate for the rest of the day
-Seahorses are the only animals in the entire animal kingdom in which the male has babies. The female seahorse deposits the eggs into the male’s small pouch, these eggs are then fertilized by the male (Yeah, seemed to have nailed this one down already then again in “My Lady” since the mother leaves/dies, the father has to protect the kid a la the seahorse picture…dunno)
-Seahorses have an interior skeleton
Ton more but it might be worth a search to see what jumps out.
A: Pregnancy usually lasts about 2 to 4 weeks depending on the temperature of the water. As the temperature increases the gestation period decreases in time.”
“Gestation
The male immediately works to settle the eggs and will soon fertilize them.
Gestation period is dependent on temperature. At 18°C, gestation is 30 days. If the temperature is higher, then the gestation period will be shorter, and vice versa.
During gestation, the male will become more and more unsociable, and his pouch will grow fuller and darker.
Birth
When the time is right, (often at the onset of dawn), the male will begin what appear to be contractions. First, a couple of babies appear, and then clouds of babies just burst from his pouch and immediately swim away. The number of babies depends on the size of the male, and how successful the egg-transfer was during mating. The average number of offspring for a full-grown seahorse is 250, though could be as many as 1000. Smaller breeders usually have between 10-40 babies per birth.”
Then again, when’s the last time a seahorse pumped a human baby out? Damn…
Jimson11 said:That fetus should be born any week now…
“Q: What is the gestation period of a seahorse?
A: Pregnancy usually lasts about 2 to 4 weeks depending on the temperature of the water. As the temperature increases the gestation period decreases in time.”
“Gestation
The male immediately works to settle the eggs and will soon fertilize them.
Gestation period is dependent on temperature. At 18°C, gestation is 30 days. If the temperature is higher, then the gestation period will be shorter, and vice versa.
During gestation, the male will become more and more unsociable, and his pouch will grow fuller and darker.
Birth
When the time is right, (often at the onset of dawn), the male will begin what appear to be contractions. First, a couple of babies appear, and then clouds of babies just burst from his pouch and immediately swim away. The number of babies depends on the size of the male, and how successful the egg-transfer was during mating. The average number of offspring for a full-grown seahorse is 250, though could be as many as 1000. Smaller breeders usually have between 10-40 babies per birth.”
Then again, when’s the last time a seahorse pumped a human baby out? Damn…
Interesting input. Also, if you look at the time the “key” Twitter account was originally posted on with the first clue, January 20th, in about 8 weeks it’ll be 9 months from the posting of the “waiting to breathe” clue.. The fetuseahorse image also being named “catm_01” and having such a connection to ‘waiting to breathe’ could suggest the child is going to be born after the normal human fetal development cycle is up and birthed around 9 months after the January 20th conception.
Either way though, whether you look at the seahorse’s pregnancy cycle or the human fetus’ development cycle, they’ll both end sometime within the coming months.
If the fetuseahorse would give birth within 2-4 weeks, assuming our ‘conception’ date could be from the Megashow when it was revealed (August 7th), it could be this Friday to about September 4th. If the fetuseahorse would give birth approximately 9 months after it’s ‘conception’ on January 20th, it could be October 20th, give or some days/weeks (seeing as it’s not always exactly 9 months).
But what exactly would be born? Maybe a child within the tale of Chico and the Man? If we were to follow these clues and anticipate a fictional character’s birth, that would bring us ‘into the world of the record’ quite a bit, wouldn’t it?
Well we definitely know it won’t be album coming out…since Tone said Winter 09 at the MEGASHOW.
Maybe that is when they will release the first official single/video? I believe it was in the interview on AllHipHop.com that Kno mentioned a single/video coming out soon
jinx8402 said:Well we definitely know it won’t be album coming out…since Tone said Winter 09 at the MEGASHOW.
Maybe that is when they will release the first official single/video? I believe it was in the interview on AllHipHop.com that Kno mentioned a single/video coming out soon
Yeah, and having a month and a half or so to do it (if this is even the correct path to follow) is a good bit of time to get it out there.
i think we need to match these clues up with My Lady and No Hope (feat. Deacon)
“And it’s hard to depend on congresses when/
They impose embargos that leave throngs of small children starved and unfed/
Some have called it the end, the last days of this system and times
If that’s the case – it’s a gift for the dying.”
I think the album has been (and is still in the process, as a matter of fact) crafted in a very specific way. “No Hope” being more of a tribute/dedication song seemed to follow a different path with the ‘Chico and the Man’ concept. I mean, after 5+ years, the idea behind it might have changed somewhere along the way (as most/every album seems to) so what Chico and the Man is now probably isn’t what it was back in 2004. It’s much, much more.
houstonz said:I think the album has been (and is still in the process, as a matter of fact) crafted in a very specific way. “No Hope” being more of a tribute/dedication song seemed to follow a different path with the ‘Chico and the Man’ concept. I mean, after 5+ years, the idea behind it might have changed somewhere along the way (as most/every album seems to) so what Chico and the Man is now probably isn’t what it was back in 2004. It’s much, much more.
Yeah haven’t thought of it that way, Thanks for the info
worm9103 said:Has it ever been confirmed that it won’t be on the album?
Last I heard, Kno said it would be on there, but in a slightly remixed form.
Where was that?
I can’t remember where/when - but I’m almost certain Tone confirmed it wouldn’t be on the album. Maybe our resident librarian houstonz can dig it out? lol
Someone asked if the other tracks will be as melancholy as “No Hope” and what the theme would be to which Tonedeff answered “you’ll see” but did not volunteer info on whether it will be on the album or not.
Old info and assumptions but someone else can try their hand at searching. I didn’t see the option to search posts by author which may have helped.
I don’t know if anyone’s seen this yet, I’m new to all the Work For It stuff but apparently a seahorse is on a Cuban coin suggesting that it is significant to the country. http://www.ebaycoins.com/ebay-coins/galleryone.11.11.0.0.0.0.img.279.html&pri=6
So the baby inside might represent the rebirth of Cuba, something to do with the revolution maybe.
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