What are people’s thoughts on this? I know we don’t usually get into politics… but I heard Adam Carolla’s rant on the Occupy movement and thought it was pretty spot on.
And here’s an excerpt from the blogger’s rant—I love the dodgeball analogy.
The kids who grew up being told that life should be fair and everyone is special are finally grown up and guess what? They’re total fucking pussies. In my opinion it probably all started when they began banning Dodge Ball in gym classes. These kids were coming of age when parents and teachers and crybabies started complaining that fat kids were getting blasted in the face during dodge ball. So the schools and communities banned dodge ball so that fat, slow un-athletic kids didn’t feel bad about themselves. You know what happens when fat kids keep getting blasted in the face over and over? They learn to stop being so fat and fucking slow so that they don’t get dodge balled to death. You know what happens when you ban it and protect their fat little faces? They stay fat and slow and unathletic.
And now they are out in the working world – where everyone starts out fat and unathletic.
The cool kids, the lame kids, everyone starts out life getting blasted in the face. Rather than taking their lumps and working until they got their hands on a ball so that they could do the face blasting, they just want the government to put an end to anything that they aren’t good at. Hey government I suck at work and my face hurts can you ban people from being better than me at making money???
I personally am not a part of this movement. But I understand its anger. People like Adam Carolla aren’t helping. He seems to have the impression that the amount of money you make is directly correlated to the amount of effort you put in.
I’ll use your dodgeball analogy here. Lets make 2 teams for a game of dodgeball except we’ll assume their dodgeball skills are directly correlated to their musical talent/effort. We’ll use the QN5 Roster as one team and for the other team, we’ll pick the Young Money roster. Even after the end of the match where QN5’s balls have been all over the faces of Young Money. Young Money still ends up with more at the end of the day. This is the unequality the Occupy Movement is protesting.
Did you grow up with your parents/teachers telling you this? “YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY OTHERWISE YOU’LL END UP FLIPPING BURGERS” I know I did. I know many others that did too. Now we’ve grown up and many have graduated college/university and can’t get a job other than flipping burgers while the same generation that told them they had to go to college or flip burgers calls the Occupy movement entitled assholes for being unwilling to flip burgers.
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I am a college grad who paid his own way thru college. Balls-deep in debt. Have worked jobs that pay very little for the past 4, almost 5 years.
Did you not understand that you had to pay those loans back once you graduated? I could have gone to state school for $4k a year instead of $40… but I didn’t. Do I regret that now? Sure do. But I’m not looking for a handout from the government for my own mistakes. I hate handouts.
I guess part of my frustration is seeing these people protest but what is their end goal? Do you want a check in the mail?
I also love how Occupy Boston caused $60,000 worth of damage to the space they occupied and gave $3000. Welp, guess the other 99.8% that didn’t camp there will foot that bill…
Mouse said:He seems to have the impression that the amount of money you make is directly correlated to the amount of effort you put in.
See, this is part of the whole bigger point. Life isn’t fair. Just cuz you “try hard” doesn’t mean your entitled to more money. That’s the whole problem with today’s culture. Everyone thinks their kid deserves to be a winner!
I remember a soccer tournament I was in when I was like… 14. My team tried real hard, ended up coming in 4th place. I was ready to leave with my parents when my coach told me to wait up. “We gotta go get our trophy.” What? We came in 4th… we don’t deserve a trophy. But they still gave us one… to make us feel good!
Just because you have a BA in Women’s Studies doesn’t entitle you to a fat salary. My degree is in “Media and Society.” The fuck was I thinking?
We’re balancing on a fairly delicate issue. I think both of y’all have very valid points. I also think that the Occupy movement is an unorganized, poorly planned disaster which never had any real goals or tangible results in mind. But I am glad that it sparked these kinds of discussions. Because here’s my issue- 90% of the wealth being controlled by 10% of the population was so 90’s. Doesn’t seem more like 98% to 1% of the population? Is it inspiring to the American Dream to see someone make twenty million a year while struggling to pay for groceries and then watch Congress fight tooth and nail against a 3.2% tax increase on the wealthy for income to our stagnating government and economy? I work for Comcast. The current CEO is the founder’s son. Do you really think he did/does anything to warrant the ridiculously huge checks that he’ll just use for private land and gas guzzling cars? Is it fair that the CEO of DP Oil took home a substancial bonus after causing multiple oil spills? You’re right worm, life isn’t fair. So shouldn’t we as a race try to change it?
carolla’s rant is typical conservative bollocks. what a fucking prick. it’s not about “envy”, it’s about corporate greed and the exploitation of the lower classes. and effort only has a small part to play. the lower classes have to work twice as hard as the middle/upper classes to reach the same goal because they start out socialy and economically disadvantaged. they have more obstacles to overcome to reach the top.
they were protesting against the exploitation and oppression of the poor, economic and social inequality globally etc. it’s always the poor who pay for the rich’s mistakes. the last financial crisis proved that. those greedy cunts walked away from wall street with their millions in tact while thousands of workers lost their jobs, homes, etc. (if you haven’t watched Inside Job yet, do!)
so yeah, i’m all for the protests and i’m not a “self-entitled monster”, i’m just dead-against oppression and exploitation of the vulnerable.
How can you love hip hop and not be concerned with these issues?
It’s a movement that never wanted to publish a clear list of its desires. I honestly didn’t even know if they even had a unified purpose.
How is living outside in a tent like an asshole gonna hurt anyone other than the asshole living in the tent? Terrrible strategy. To me it all seemed 100% engineered, kinda like the powers that be were like, “here people, this is how we protest!” meanwhile they carry it out in an ineffective and half-hearted way. Making protests seem futile and stupid.
P.S. I am independent, I would never blindly join one of these “different” parties or pick a candidate based on their party. Both parties suck, being entirely conservative, or entirely Liberal also sucks. Why would you not be able to see the benefits/downsides of both the left and the right and just choose the optimal decision on a issue by issue basis. They are similar approaches, why would I not use both for different specific applications? They (claim to) do different things.
The Trashman said:
Why would you not be able to see the benefits/downsides of both the left and the right and just choose the optimal decision on a issue by issue basis. They are similar approaches, why would I not use both for different specific applications? They (claim to) do different things.
Yup, that would be ideal! Sadly, not the way it works in politics. It’s a false democracy. The protesters were campaigning for a true democracy i think, where decisions are made by everyone fairly and equally, so everyone gets a say and power isn’t concentrated in the hands of a few like it is now.
Like you i don’t support any one party and can see pros and cons in each of them. I don’t believe in power because it corrupts those in it and those under it so any one party in power is a bad thing.
The reason they never had a unified theme was because it was many different groups coming together to protest, so there were alot of conflicting viewpoints and goals. Groups that don’t see eye-to-eye normally were joining up for this, so i guess what was reported, and the info we got from it, depended on which journalist spoke to which group etc. The idea i got was that it was basically a protest against inequality, however it manifests itself.
It’s really a lot deeper than poking fun at fat folks, though. That’s the easy analogy to make. The problem with the Occupy Movement, as I saw it, was a total lack of organization. Like Nino said, there were conflicting viewpoints and goals.
My bus to Staten Island drove by them every day, and on any given day there’d be 10 people lined up across Broadway, fighting for different causes. One person is arguing credit cards, another has a personal message to Bill Clinton, others are pushing websites, etc. It became a convoluted mess of misguided frustration and a few conspiracy nuts.
At its root, there was something unique that had to be addressed that has nothing to do with “everyone gets a gold star.” Politics and private business fused together somehow and created a situation where markets suffered and people lost money.
The economy collapsed and no one asked questions or prosecuted the businesses responsible. It’s not like it was just people gambling on the stock market and losing; it was legitimate manipulation of money that didn’t belong to them, while a rare few profited and the vast majority had to readjust their finances accordingly. Unfortunately, a lot of people didn’t catch up quickly enough.
worm9103 said:I am a college grad who paid his own way thru college. Balls-deep in debt. Have worked jobs that pay very little for the past 4, almost 5 years.
Did you not understand that you had to pay those loans back once you graduated? I could have gone to state school for $4k a year instead of $40… but I didn’t. Do I regret that now? Sure do. But I’m not looking for a handout from the government for my own mistakes.
I’m confused. Did you pay for college out of pocket? Or did you get help to be in this considerable, balls-deep debt? Credit cards? Student loans? It’s that contradiction in standards that fueled the frustration in the Occupy movement.
It’s not just one, unnamed source—like the famed “Man” of the 70s—where people are pointing fingers, it’s an entire institution of fucking over common folks who wanted to do right. Yet, we’re kept prisoner to circumstances we thought we could control.
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Don’t get it twisted. I resent a lot of what the people downtown represented. I’m definitely not one of those hippies on a videojournalist’s Vimeo page treating a protest like a Phish concert on Wall Street. But let’s not allow misinformed, knowingly hostile ‘celebrity’ voices to oversimplify legitimate gripes.
I think Occupy is too broad and disorganized of a movement to make any general statements about them besides that they’re frustrated with the way things currently are.
Amen said:At its root, there was something unique that had to be addressed that has nothing to do with “everyone gets a gold star.” Politics and private business fused together somehow and created a situation where markets suffered and people lost money.
The economy collapsed and no one asked questions or prosecuted the businesses responsible. It’s not like it was just people gambling on the stock market and losing; it was legitimate manipulation of money that didn’t belong to them, while a rare few profited and the vast majority had to readjust their finances accordingly. Unfortunately, a lot of people didn’t catch up quickly enough.
I don’t think I could have summarized my thoughts on this any more perfectly, Amen.
What’s interesting to me is seeing how polarizing this has become, even among people who arguably share the same politics.
I have friends who would make for very good representatives of Occupy—who work in government, and can rattle off firsthand evidence and cogent policy analysis of how fucked up and utterly plutocratic the state has become, and are disenchanted as fuck with “the system”...
But who hate Occupy with a fiery passion for all the same reasons everyone just listed. Disorganized. Inarticulate. Unfocused.
And I can understand that kind of frustration. It’s like finding out the latest face of your franchise can’t throw and he’s a pissant.
On the flipside, there have been instances where Occupy has really impressed me. The mic checks that have been going down at various Tea Party representatives’ speaking engagements are extremely well written, and I approve of what those acts of disruption represent as well: a non-violent retaking of the power to speak—at events where individual speech is controlled—from politicians whose constituencies are best described as inanimate campaign funding coffers, rather than people.
I think what it all comes down to is a question of what Occupy is really supposed to represent. And this is where I ask myself if there is inherent value to exposing the seething, if inarticulate, anger of a populace to the managers of a broken system. My answer is YES.
At the end of the day, to whom do I want to lend my voice? A LARGE mass of people who are emotionally invested, tired of playing against a stacked deck, and willing to act? Or brilliant amateur political strategists (like my friend) who can articulate why they think the system is broken, but whose contribution to the debate is pointing out why what Occupy is doing is wrong?
True.Life isn’t fair,you just gotta work your way around the BS.People that have millions that they should’t have are always gonna exist,we just gotta accept it.
I look at my dad who didn’t even finish 3rd grade, yet has 3 houses all paid for,is self employed,and doesn’t owe anyone any money,and never complained about not having an education. That type of shit makes me think to my self “if he can do it then i sure as fuck better able to do it too.”
But my friends who have college degrees are up to their neck in debt with no job.But i guess thats part of the college experience….according to them.
I’ll admit I don’t understand a lot of the economics or politics involved in the movement. My main gripe is with how people are going about voicing their displeasure.
It seemed people in past decades thought “I’m in a shitty situation, what can I do to fix this?”
and today, after being raised to be winners since a young age, people think “I’m in a shitty situation… How can you fix this for me?”
I really wouldn’t say they’ve accomplished nothing. Look at the dialogue we’re having on the issues of wealth inequality and corporate greed running rampant. We never would have been talking about this if OWS didn’t happen. Most people who are now paying attention never would have if it wasn’t for OWS.
But like most, I don’t agree with their methods and how disorganized they are. If you look at the protests in Chile and even better, in India, you can see how they gained widespread support and actual action by the government because they actually HAD A LIST OF DEMANDS instead of just going around ranting that the one percent needs to be taxed more (and in actuality most people don’t realize how high the taxes really are for the one percent). Also in India there were actually intelligent, charismatic leaders behind the protests for people to rally around.
Also this is very important: OWS IS NOT ABOUT HAND OUTS. The mainstream media and the government has brainwashed people into thinking that OWS is about getting a free check or some shit, and it absolutely is not.
worm9103 said:I’ll admit I don’t understand a lot of the economics or politics involved in the movement. My main gripe is with how people are going about voicing their displeasure.
It seemed people in past decades thought “I’m in a shitty situation, what can I do to fix this?”
and today, after being raised to be winners since a young age, people think “I’m in a shitty situation… How can you fix this for me?”
Wait, I’m not sure I understand you here. Are you saying your main gripe is that they’re protesting instead of trying to find jobs?
That’s a part of it, I guess. I mean, how am I (as a member of “the 99%”) supposed to support these people who spend most their energy destroying public property, pissing off cops, arguing a multitude of issues, and who have real leader?
If the media has only shown me these sides and OWS has actually accomplished some sort of changes, please let me know. Just having “created a dialogue” isn’t enough, IMO.
worm9103 said:I’ll admit I don’t understand a lot of the economics or politics involved in the movement. My main gripe is with how people are going about voicing their displeasure.
It seemed people in past decades thought “I’m in a shitty situation, what can I do to fix this?”
and today, after being raised to be winners since a young age, people think “I’m in a shitty situation… How can you fix this for me?”
that’s not what it’s like though…the people are in a shitty situation because of the things done by the people above - corporations, government etc - so even though they try to get out of their situation the odds are stacked against them.
the “raised to be winners” people you speak of.. raised when? isn’t that buying too much into the ideology of the reagan/thatcher era? the whole “you can be anything you want if you put the work in” doesn’t work if you haven’t got the tools to start off with. and by tools that can be anything from psychological, educational, to financial etc. that era preached that everyone is responsible for their own success/failures. but what’s wrong with that is it basically lets the government off the hook for the problems in society.
when the government went left people began realising that it’s not all down to individual responsibility, there are forces that work outside our control that keep disadvantaged groups down.
these people are protesting because they’re in a “shitty situation” and feel powerless to change it in the current conditions. i don’t think they’re asking anyone to fix it for them - the protests alone, despite how disorganized they were,are a sign they’re trying to fix it themselves. but at the end of the day the corps and government are the only ones who can make things right, because its their policies and methods causing all the social and economic inequalities in the first place.
Mouse said:He seems to have the impression that the amount of money you make is directly correlated to the amount of effort you put in.
See, this is part of the whole bigger point. Life isn’t fair. Just cuz you “try hard” doesn’t mean your entitled to more money. That’s the whole problem with today’s culture. Everyone thinks their kid deserves to be a winner!
I remember a soccer tournament I was in when I was like… 14. My team tried real hard, ended up coming in 4th place. I was ready to leave with my parents when my coach told me to wait up. “We gotta go get our trophy.” What? We came in 4th… we don’t deserve a trophy. But they still gave us one… to make us feel good!
Just because you have a BA in Women’s Studies doesn’t entitle you to a fat salary. My degree is in “Media and Society.” The fuck was I thinking?
I think Occupy is confused, undisciplined & misdirected, but If you don’t see how income inequality is a problem in this country I don’t know what to tell you.
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Rosa Parks.”
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Anne Frank.”
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Susan B. Anthony.”
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Harvey Milk.”
It’s easy for you to say what you’re saying as a white, heterosexual male in the United States because you’ve been conditioned to believe hard work can overcome anything, but you’ll realize soon enough that it cannot—at least not anymore. In 2011 and beyond greed can and will eat you and your family’s dreams alive.
deStructuralized said:
I think what it all comes down to is a question of what Occupy is really supposed to represent. And this is where I ask myself if there is inherent value to exposing the seething, if inarticulate, anger of a populace to the managers of a broken system. My answer is YES.
At the end of the day, to whom do I want to lend my voice? A LARGE mass of people who are emotionally invested, tired of playing against a stacked deck, and willing to act? Or brilliant amateur political strategists (like my friend) who can articulate why they think the system is broken, but whose contribution to the debate is pointing out why what Occupy is doing is wrong?
Thank you. Completely agree.
And on another note… it is a SAD day when the idea of having the right to a living wage and the right to an education is considered evil socialist government handouts…
Most of the complaints seem to be from monday morning quarterbacks… please please please show me something that pops up organically in less than 3 months made up of people who have never worked together and who are relatively new and unexperienced activists that is highly organized and efficient.
And for what it is worth, I was down in New York for the beginning of OWS and there reason I was there and the reason I still consider myself a part of Occupy is because I want an uncorrupted democracy. Not money from anyone. Not a job from anyone. I just want to have the same say in government as anyone else. And right now that isn’t the case. Politicians are bought and sold. Policy is written by the person with the biggest wallet. Banks got GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS that they didn’t deserve. And I’m sick of it.
worm9103 said:That’s a part of it, I guess. I mean, how am I (as a member of “the 99%”) supposed to support these people who spend most their energy destroying public property, pissing off cops, arguing a multitude of issues, and who have real leader?
If the media has only shown me these sides and OWS has actually accomplished some sort of changes, please let me know. Just having “created a dialogue” isn’t enough, IMO.
Destroying public property? Dewey Sq (and the Rose Kennedy Greenway) were never used and the city didn’t even know what to do with it. At the beginning of the occupation we spoke with the RKG association and got a $12,000 estimate for the grass. We offered to pay for it and do the labor ourselves in a community event on Earth Day in the spring. They agreed. The 40,000-60,000 price tage number included $30,000 worth of improvements that weren’t even there BEFORE the occupation. And besides the grass the majority of the cost was disposing the stuff that the BPD seized from campers. You are buying into media propaganda to fuel your misguided anger at protesters.
Pissing of cops?
Your’e right. Damn hippies! Kill them all!
Multitude of issues? Um I don’t think it would be outrageous to say that in this current moment in history there ARE a multitude of issues that deserve attention…
Mouse said:He seems to have the impression that the amount of money you make is directly correlated to the amount of effort you put in.
See, this is part of the whole bigger point. Life isn’t fair. Just cuz you “try hard” doesn’t mean your entitled to more money. That’s the whole problem with today’s culture. Everyone thinks their kid deserves to be a winner!
I remember a soccer tournament I was in when I was like… 14. My team tried real hard, ended up coming in 4th place. I was ready to leave with my parents when my coach told me to wait up. “We gotta go get our trophy.” What? We came in 4th… we don’t deserve a trophy. But they still gave us one… to make us feel good!
Just because you have a BA in Women’s Studies doesn’t entitle you to a fat salary. My degree is in “Media and Society.” The fuck was I thinking?
Yeah. Life isn’t fair. But shouldn’t we be striving towards making life as fair as possible? It doesn’t do any good to say. “It’s your problem. Deal with it.”
Imagine a doctor saying that to a patient when he/she comes in asking for help. Sounds rediculous, right?
worm9103 said:That’s a part of it, I guess. I mean, how am I (as a member of “the 99%”) supposed to support these people who spend most their energy destroying public property, pissing off cops, arguing a multitude of issues, and who have real leader?
If the media has only shown me these sides and OWS has actually accomplished some sort of changes, please let me know. Just having “created a dialogue” isn’t enough, IMO.
Destroying public property? Dewey Sq (and the Rose Kennedy Greenway) were never used and the city didn’t even know what to do with it. At the beginning of the occupation we spoke with the RKG association and got a $12,000 estimate for the grass. We offered to pay for it and do the labor ourselves in a community event on Earth Day in the spring. They agreed. The 40,000-60,000 price tage number included $30,000 worth of improvements that weren’t even there BEFORE the occupation. And besides the grass the majority of the cost was disposing the stuff that the BPD seized from campers. You are buying into media propaganda to fuel your misguided anger at protesters.
Well, the park was used for lots of stuff for the community (movies during the summer, farmer’s markets, event launches, general recreation as that what parks are for) so not sure what you’re talking about.
So, how much money has Occupy Boston raised? Last I heard was $3k, but that’s just what the media told me.
Pissing of cops?
Your’e right. Damn hippies! Kill them all!
I guess the pacifist in me is just used to doing what cops tell me to do. If they tell me to move, I’ll move. But if you are willing to go to jail for camping out in a space that requires a permit when you don’t have one, then you do you.
Multitude of issues? Um I don’t think it would be outrageous to say that in this current moment in history there ARE a multitude of issues that deserve attention…
ok I’m with you on that one. It’s just hard to take a movement seriously when it’s so disjointed.
Kno said:I think Occupy is confused, undisciplined & misdirected, but If you don’t see how income inequality is a problem in this country I don’t know what to tell you.
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Rosa Parks.”
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Anne Frank.”
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Susan B. Anthony.”
“Oh well…life isn’t fair, Harvey Milk.”
Those people were fighting racial, ethnic, gender, and sexual discrimination and did something about it. Occupy is fighting… people with more money?
It’s easy for you to say what you’re saying as a white, heterosexual male in the United States because you’ve been conditioned to believe hard work can overcome anything, but you’ll realize soon enough that it cannot—at least not anymore. In 2011 and beyond greed can and will eat you and your family’s dreams alive.
Perhaps it’s the optimist in me, but (and this is the point of the original blog I posted) there are more opportunities now than ever to make money. Antoine Dodson’s a poor, gay, black man. Granted, that is a ridiculous example, but it matched up too well with what you wrote.
Hey Chris Gardner, you’re black and homeless. Give it up, dude. You don’t have a college education! What are you doing? Stop calling clients. Go home.
But are you saying there’s essentially NO HOPE for some people? That there is just too much stacked against them? I guess I just can’t accept that. I just can’t roll over and wait for Obama to forgive my loans for me. Or wait for him to lower some CEOs salary, cuz I don’t see it happening any time soon.
People seem SO ENGROSSED in what OTHER people are making. Why does this eat away at people so much? DO YOU! Or not. But constantly living in a state of depression cuz Johnny’s dad made bank off the stock market and hooked him up with an office with a view sounds like a pretty sad existence to me.
I actually found a job that hires poor people, minorities, women, and (finally) the openly gay. You get access to higher education for free. You get a pretty fat check every other week and great job security. I start Officer Candidate School for the Navy in a couple weeks and if I make it thru should be pretty set for the next couple years.
Harvey Milk and Christopher Gardner were actually in it (the Navy) at one time. Go figure.
Will it result in my family’s dreams getting eaten alive? I dunno. I don’t think so… I’ll let you know in 4 years.
I dunno, call me stupid and call me ignorant if you want. I guess I’m pretty much done with this. Y’all keep on throwin stones and trying to bring people down to your level. I’m going to try to build myself up to theirs.
^^ i really think you’re missing the point. It’s not about being “depressed” about how much money so and so makes, it’s about the methods used to make that money: the oppression and exploitation of the more vulnerable members of society whoever and wherever they are. we become “engrossed” with how much others are making when we see bankers and wall streeters making millions while we have to pay for their mistakes by losing jobs, homes, etc. We become “engrossed” when we learn of multi-million pound corporations like adidas, nike etc, are employing young children to make the “sneakers” on our feet, enforcing long hours and poor wages and even shitter working conditions to make them millions while the worker themselves barely gets by on what they earn (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86t-Kqi68CM for one of the best hip hop tracks about this). We become “engrossed” with how much they’re making when we realise members of our government are claiming expenses from the tax money they steal from our hard-earned wage to pay for their lavish lifestyles.
we’re not “depressed” or envious, we’re fucking angry.
and if their are “more opportunities now than ever to make money” then why is the gap between rich and poor widening?
Ok. That makes sense and I thank you for explaining that.
I think I’m frustrated at one issue the movement is addressing while yours is different (but still part of Occupy). I shouldn’t have even lumped Occupy into this because there are so many things they’re protesting.
Some want the “right to a living wage” and “right to education” while others are fighting oppression and corporate greed.
yeah but whatever the issue it all boils down to human rights at the end of the day.
wasn’t the student demos something seperate from occupy? it started alot earlier than occupy but maybe merged with it somewhere along the line. as for that, it was a middle-class protest for middle-class people, but it did boil down to corporate greed as well, since universities are now run as businesses and encouraged to view students as consumers. because of this they only employ staff who attract funding (and cut jobs of those who don’t), and this funding comes, of course, from big corporartions. which means what students will now be taught is in line with the ideology of capitalism, hence cuts to all funding for arts and humanities subjects. society doesn’t want people who think, they want willing workers to help the capitalist economy survive. so they were protesting against this blatant brainwashing of students too i think.
so while you may not like the attitudes of some of the protesters (even i don’t like the attitudes of most of the students i meet and i am one now, reluctantly), i hope you can see that whatever the issue, the unifying theme is that human rights are being affected by corporate greed and exploitation and that’s what the people were trying to make the world aware of and trying to show their resistance to!
I don’t think anyone here is going to claim that the status quo is even remotely okay. So i think it’s very immature and easy to sit here and admonish those that are actively trying to change the miserable condition we live in. Yeah, sitting out in front of a tent probably won’t accomplish a lot, but at least those people are trying to change the current governmental system which favors the wealthy over the common man.
I just find it very ironic that those of us that don’t like the OWS movement because OWS is complaining too much, are then complaining about it on this forum. At least those people are doing something, while most are simply complacent.
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